O wow DeadRa7 TY very much man for did the trick. This damn computer chair i sit in at super extended amounts of time is the wrong kinda chair and it's screwed my back up bad. I been taking morphine this week to alleviate the pain in the bottom left side of my back between my hip and spine. Anyway this was a great friday thread! Way to go chiefrogan, I feel ashamed now that the best thing I'm done for the community is offer tax free btcs before sales or holidays. nomad